ok u fuckers listen up america is so fucked up like there health care sucks ppl die in ghettos all of the country there is still racism and neo nazi's in the states the president is fucked up and is starting ww3 without even knowing it like come on rly. china is going to own the u.s in 15 yrs for sure. theres so many nuclear missles in that god damn country u can blow up the world like 15 times while they preach about how they will stop nuclear arms they have one of the most in the world the only tihng i can is that america blows and can suck on my dick all day long. AMERICA FUCK YA SO LICK MY BUTT AND SUCK ON MY BALLS!!

Posted by: vailposseone Why would we (Americans) care about what others in the world care about OUR foreign policy?... Namely the has-beens on the sidelines... (i.e. Canada, France, Germany, etc.) When have they had the opportunity to make ANY decission that effects/affects the world... They wait and ponder... Or let surrender. THey are SMALL MICE... THey DO NOTHING. WWI, WWII, Africa, COMMUNISM, GENOCIDE, etc. They wait for the AMericans to save the day, cuz we always do. America is the only country not afraid of Islamo fascists. Look at Europe... They appease the fanatical beheaders. Americans will stand and fight! You think Bush is ignorant? Youre a fool. HE IS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD AND HE CARES NOT FOR YOUR OPINIONS... Only the safety and preservation of his country. Say what you may... Youre not in the game anyway... Youre only watching from the sidelines.

WHY WOULD WE CARE??? CAUSE THELLL BLOW US UP U STUPID ASS

1st off, most of those nuc's are disarmed, so get some real knowledge and get out of your 5th grade history lesson, second, it was never 15 times it was 9, and that was us and russia, it had nothing to do with f'n canada. i understand why you like to bash the states, perhaps its the fact that canada hasn't done jack shit since that little run in with france in the 1700's (not 100% on that date). maybe i should change my name to canadabasher and rip on you guys for being isolationist pussies... FUCKENEH BUDDY FUCKENEH

what are u talking about u and russia? i was talking about WW1, the US and russia was the cold war u ignorent peice of poop. the US canada and russia were on the same side in WW1 and WW2. but really it wasnt even that far because the US wasnt involved until they were bombed. and canada was more involved as a colonie of britain, we were included in the tripple alliance between russia france and britain... the us just piped up so they didnt look like pussys not doing anything when they got bombed, and then they didnt even do well. and someone said something about the US being really good at war... Vietnam... Iraq... they couldnt even successfully invade canada when they tried to way back when, and canada only had beer cans rocks and a buncha arrows to throw at them (with the odd rifle in the bunch). but this was opened to discuss bush, not american vs. canadian history. I know and am friends with alot of americans, and i dont want to turn this into an i hate america thing.

Thenemy - to say that Canada hasnt done jack sh!t since the 1700's is pretty smallminded and stupid. We all know that they dont teach anything about other countries in American schools, so why you gotta pretend you know anything about your neighbor to the north, because you clearly don't. Canada is respected the world over for our peacekeeping efforts, while the US is the most despised nation in the world. I would also like to note that Canada KICKED YOUR ASS 5 TIMES OVER when you shmucks tried to invade us back in the war of 1812. Oh yeah then we burned the White House down! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Most of the USA's military actions over the years have been something we call 'war profiteering', when you invade a country and take it over then rape and pillage through the use of US corporations, all the while saying its good for the nations (the one getting raped) economy. I would like to note I'm aware that most of these military operations weren't directly the US Army, but were based on funding for death squads in the respective country... And Americanbasher, you need to chill out man. I'm all the way with you on what you're TRYING to say, that the US has committed some serious crimes and needs to be seriously renovated (for lack of a better word). But MAN, chill! You're just obsessed with hating on yankees, when the fact is that its not the people man, its the gov't and the people that control it. I highly doubt that you've even been to the USA, so shut the fck up until you know what you're talking about.

Kootenayale... You wrote: "Its because of this culturally nauseating area called the "bible belt". Have you been there? THats what I thought. It's nice to see that the "liberal minded" like yourself are so open-minded and respectful of others beliefs. Do you also find muslims, hindus and athiests so nauseating? Spoken like a true liberal... Youre openminded except when others opinions conflict with your own. LOL!!!! I can easily see by your opinions of non-athiests (i.e. Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.) that you hate them, but... When is the last time you saw a Christian, Jew, Hindu, or Budest behead innocent aidworkers, raise their severed head above their twitching body so they could see and know they were going to die (remember the brain is still oxygenated and the beheaded would see their own body, and know of their demise.)? Or ramsack a Chechneyan school and shoot children in the back of the head? We (U.S. and the Brits MAINLY) are in a war against Islamo fascists. Canadians just deny that so they can justify not having to fight... cowards! You wrote " fixed election rife with crruption," Do you know what a hipocrite is? Are you saying that Canada isnt "rife" with corruption. I read of your nearly bankrupt and stenchful politico daily... Canada is no angel my friend. Why dont you and your Canadian brotheren focus on your own shitty government instead of the United States of America? Oh, maybe its because youre just another U.S. aid-state as far as our foreign policy politico is concerned. Your liberal socialistic gov. tendencies have crippled your country and allowed your neighbors (U.S.) to prosper. Maybe if you quit focusing so much attention on other governments (i.e. U.S.A., Iraq, etc.) ,outside your own po-dunk country, you could fix YOUROWN FUCK*IN PROBLEMS. You wrote: "Everyone does nothing, we just wait for America to save the day? You puss ies wouldn't even help out in WW2 until you finally got bombed. The US elite were too busy making money off their business investments in the Na zi war machine. I thought Canada believed in the "isolationist mindset", Isnt that what Mother Canada does? Were pussies? So Canada could have beaten the Nazis and the Japs if America had not engaged the enemy? Wow, thats a hell of a feat... Especially with Canadas miniscule GDP. How can a capitalist system make money off the Nazis when we had infact an EMBARGO ES ISOLATIONES?!!!!!!!!! DUMBASS! Do something good for your OWN country... FOCUS ON YOUR OWN COUNTRY! Oh I guess you cant because your a Canadian and your just our (Americans) bitches anyway.... We practically OWN your government and your politicians. Have a nice day!

Mogulmasher, DO you have any idea how much gas prices are in the UK? You canadians are headed that way my friend. Socialize and Liberalize EVERYTHING!!!! Just like you are and see what it gets you. Petrol products are one of the cheapest commodities in the world... While nearly every other item in the world has increased with inflation, gas is still CRAZY cheap. It just feels like its expensive because its been so cheap for so long. And the only reason for the recent increase was the hurricanes in the gulf. 80% of the U.S.'s refining capabilities was shutdown for a month or to... And were already at makimum refining capacity. Do you know that ConocoPhilips invested 95% of ALL THEIR PROFITS THIS YEAR INTO INCREASING REFINING CAPACITY (i.e. infrastructure, plants , etc.) If you dont like your gas prices, by a fuckin hybrid or take masstrans... Its a free country. You wrote: "and guess what kids the "islamo fascists" are no different then the christian fascists in the us, the US just started another crusade through the holy land, for what seems more like an attempt to destroy a whole religions belief structures than for anything else. WHole religions belief structure???? Do you think it is acceptable in todays world to allow a culture to refuse education to women? Do you belive that it is ok to force citorectomies on young women in the name of Allah? Do you think it is acceptable in todays world to target innocent civilians who dont believe in the same God as yourself? Most muslims are fine people, just like most Christians... The ones that I and my President want to erradicate from this earth are the ISLAMO FASCIST.... the ones that believe everyone elses opinion doesnt matter and they should be killed. What about Bosnia and Serbia? We were defending the muslims? Start another crusade? What the hell are you talking about? There are definantly some scenarios that our politicians need to work... China, Iran, Russia. If the oil in the middle east were closed off to the worldmarket... The U.S., Canada, and S. AMerica and Europe would be no more. Also.... You want more troops? TOO MANY troops can be bad. We want to crush the enemy yea, but we also want to make friends with the natives... and another 250, 000 troops might make matters worse. We need to kill as many fighters as possible, train as many Iraqi troops as possible, establish a working gov. where all citizens of differing views talk instead of kill. And then get the hell out. Its a shithole anyway... Theres no skiing! A DEMOCRACY IN THE HEART OF THE MIDDLE EAST COULD BE MAGNIFICENT. If it works and becomes secularized like Turkey, Bush will be considered one of the greatest in our history! If it fails, he could be one of the worst. In closing you wrote that "war is NEVER the answer"? WAR ended hitler and the Nazi party. WAR ends fascism and it WILL end ISLAMO FASCISM... Even with all the naysayers in the world (Canada, France, Germany, Spain, etc.). It will be just that much more sweeter that we and the Brits did it on our own. Think of the coldwar. How sweet that was... Victory is slow and that much more sweeter.

Kudos to you 'benranta". Drunk and typing fast. I'll do better next time master. Do you want this in MLB or SSci writing format? P.S. Is 'benranta' a proper noun? Just curious, I noticed it wasnt capitalized.

since your such a relgious type, and god is obviously on your side you would have read the bible I assume, God gave man the right to choose. Jesus stated so in the garden of gethsemene when being tempted by the devil (I haven't read that bit in a bit so the location may be wrong I do apologize, since all of you guys are trying to destroy whole arguments by a number being wrong not accepting the general point as being a valid idea.) while I find many of the practices you stated to be repulsive who are we to enforce our morality in a physical manner on a country? I think the american people should be pushing to clean up our own country before we decide to go invade the mother land. (which if you are a true christian since you seem to be coming across as a bible spouter you would realize the garden of eden was started generally in the area of iraq.) if you don't like the way they run their religion or their society you either need to deal with such things in a political fashion, or offer the women a way out. What some of us need to remember is that this is one of the oldest cultures on the planet. while they do some screwed up crap, so do americans i.e. forcing pills on the youth, forcing ones ideals on another. I personally think of america as a christian based gov't since it has christian values all through out it. And was founded by christians, what I find ironic is that the christian god teaches tolerance. (I can't wait for you guys to start spouting the old testament at me now). as for petrol based products, your right it is more expensive in europe, but could that be because aside from russia they don't have massive oil deposits, so it must be shipped through massivly populated areas. also many european countries they make more an hour than americans, also their countries are much smaller and everything is more compact which to me says that they don't have to drive as far. also the oil industry made over 100 BILLION DOLLARS OF PROFIT this year!! this obviously means they had no reason to raise gas prices, if they were truly decent human beings they would've taken a hit on the belt and kept gas prices the same. also a 100 percent increase in price in anything is plenty of reason to be alarmed especially when it happens in one mans presidency who aside from invaded a country that we now know we shouldn't have and had no grounds aside from something he did 10 years ago that while was an atrocity, is small beans in my book compared to I believe it was the mass genocide in rawanda. I look forward to you picking apart the small details of my argument and snowballing me, so I come across as a complete idiot. oh yeah, for those of you hating on one Canada or America, those of us who live in either are very lucky we have many things other people don't, and both are wonderful countries with many awesome things they are doing to help out its own, and the worlds populace, America just seems like its a total fuck up because of what this one man has done in the last 5 or so years, in fact we are only partial fuck ups, and canadas healthcare system has huge flaws in it too!

Mogulmasher, I'll be brief and wont 'pick apart your details'... I gather from your writing that.... We are WITHOUT QUESTION in total dissagreement. You are a Liberal and I a Conservative... At least we both love skiing. P.S. My ranting is mainly targeted at Canadians and not Americans like yourself. Everytime I HAVE EVER talked to Canadians they rip my country (Even when visiting here). In my travels around the world I have always treated foreigners and their govt. politico with respect and dignity... Especially whilst a guest in ones country. From my experience, Canadians have no manners or kooth. They belittle our Commander In Chief during a time of War (OUR WAR, NOT THEIRS) while OUR TROOPS die, not theirs. Its something I and fellow Americans would never do. If Canada were at war with what they deemed their enemy, what business of ours (americans) would it be? I find them and their culture to the likes of the French... 'sideline cowards and peacenicks'.

Vailposseone, you are the reason most other countrys hate the US. most americans are easy going normal people and therefore not noticed. but a buncha loud mouth ignorent americans like urself, spout off with ur unfounded often times made up facts about other countries, and make the nation look like a group of nationalistic fools. and if u havent noticed the american gov. is slowing looking like the nazi gov themselves. invading other countries illegally, ur highly nationalistic and dont attempt to understand anything else but ur own countries workings, and bush has arguably been wrongfully elected at least once, and most likely they just got better at cheating the system for the second time. this is dictatorship. the only diffrence is declaration of war, and communism (fascism with a dictator). so instead of everything being equal and publicly owned the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. good on ya improving the Naz i way!

i meant to say, fascism is just communism with a dictator, my bad :P

"It sure would be a heck of a lot easier if it were a dictatorship, just so long as I was the dictator" - Dubya I'd thought I'd mention that there is a number of academic professionals that have published papers stating how the USA meets most, if not all of the requirements for fascism.

so I'm trying to stay fairly neutral in this, A. vailposseone, is a conservative (what you canadians seem to call a redneck) he however doesn't seem to be ignorant. as for all of our facts and those papers kootenyale was talking about we get them all from different places. for instance one of us may get it from cnn. another from bbc, and the smart one from comedy central with the daily show and the colbert report. each of these news centers have a hidden agenda, I ( a liberal, I guess) try and decipher from all of these equally, but in my expert opinion as a criticizer, Dubya hasn't kept many of his words, I haven't trusted him since 2002 at least, and I think we are wrongly in this war, I do however support the troops as they are dying and defending what they believe in. but I do think that 200 years from now it will be viewed as a holy war since for all intents and purposes its a christian nation once again invading the middle east.

BlackASS... You wrote: " you are the reason most other countrys hate the US. most americans are easy going normal people and therefore not noticed." So you have to be 'easygoing' (Your translation: silent about your opinions when they dont match your own)&'normal' (Your translation: a liberal who believes that the U.N. and other countries should decide how WE (Americans) vote and run our country). So I gather that you believe a good American is one that is 'not noticed'!!!????? Noticed by whom? The French, U.N., UK, Canada, Germany, Indonesia, and how bout China and North Korea? Would we be good americans if we isolate ourselves like Canada, Iran, Syria, etc.? Oh wait Syria and Iran are sending fighters to Iraq... I guess they even have more balls than Canada. What you fail to see is that HALF OF THE COUNTRY THINKS LIKE ME! Thats what the last two elections dictated. I constantly hear the blame game. Bush is to blame, the conservatives are to blame. Clinton bombed Iraq! Bush Sr. did Gulf I. AND THE ENTIRE SENATE (REP AND DEMS) VOTED FOR THE WAR!!!!!!! They all saw the same freaking intelligence. NOT JUST BUSH!!!!!! Even your beloved Kerry voted for the War. Illegal war????? By who's accord... Frances? They entered Bosnia WITHOUT the United Nations vote.... Was that an illegal war? The United States went thru the U.N. even when we know theyre a joke. Two of the human rights members on the UN's board FOR HUMAN RIGHTS are actually the WORST OFFENDERS as described by Amnesty International!!! THE U.N. IS A JOKE and most Americans know and understand this. You say that I "dont attempt to understand anything else but ur own countries workings"????? What the fuck are you talking about? I know EXACTLY HOW OTHER COUNTRIES WORK!!! France is against nearly every vote in the UN because they are no longer a superpower and the only way they can create more power for themselves (like Canada) is to increase the power of the 'collective' in the UN and world media. P.S. look at a picture of the last election and notice the red states and the blue. I live in Colorado, were not rednecks or Bile bangers, Montana and Idaho and the dakotas arent either. Consrvative dont have to be religious you freak!!! They just see and understand how the world works... We know that the cancerous liberals in CANTada and France and most of Europe are crafting their own demise. As for 'the poor get poorer' the 'rich get richer'... Take a freaking finance class you child! Taxes hurt the working class and small business... There isnt a single financeier who would dissagree with this. The more you tax a state or individual, the less they can contribute to the capitalist pool. TAX INDIVIDUALS AT THE PURCHASE POINT (i.e. sales tax)!!!! P.P.S. Your jeep looks like it has sissy axels under it. Get some 37's, dana 60's and some descent gearing before you throw a shit vehicle like that as your "crawler mugshot"! Have a nice day!

Excuse me... Your SISSY BRONCO!!!

aight,blackglassi if that is the tru reason why people hate us ,then fine, but in all honesty, ithink most of thhate comes from a degree of jealousy and propaganda. second, ithink most countries shoud be slightly greatful for our efforts with the uN in the past, though i agree recently we havent abided, but there is a reason we didn't sign so many document after WWII, and just dating back a couple days to your comment about WWI and nucs, you appeard to be much more of an idiot becuz thre was no suhthing in WWI, nice try, al l the large numbers of nuclear weaponry came during the cold war...i guess iheld youto gtoo gi high of an inteligence level. now imight be bwrong, but the pic looks like a early toyota to me, and if so, vail posseone you are again, a dumbass... forgive the typos, my backspace is broken

its got a dana 60, u cant even see the axels, and the reason i got 32s on it instead of big mudders is i use it more on the street going point a to b then hoppin around in the bush, bigger tires = harder to get going, hard to stop, and rougher ride. thats impractical, but maby u should just stick to the topic at hand, but if u cant keep up then maby u should start a new topic "you trucks got bad axels that i cant see" perhaps, or "im 31, and a 16 year old is keeping up with me and defeating some of my points so il change the subject to personal blows to his truck to maby sway the momentum" either one is fine, but all of them make u look like an ass, but wait, my name is blackglASS how ever elementry of you, there is an ass in my name im glad they teach u big colarado boys how to spell! im actually very impressed and im sure veryone else is. and every war thats occured since the U.N.s formation is illegal unless the country has declaired war in defence of its self, in which case the UN would support that country, the UN didnt support the US, so the fact that they went through them is irrelivent. The UN is a joke, and its a shame because it would be a very effective way to solve alot of conflicts. PS your a weiner PSS that senceless insult WAS appropriate to my age... unfortunatly yours made u look like a stupid adult running out of intelligent things to argue... too bad, i thought you were better then that, always like the US to dissapoint

I think (I hope) that the reason so many people are so anti-american is that the US has been directly and indirectly responsible for millions of deaths in the past few decades, and they have more "weapons of mass destruction" than the rest of the world combined. I'm at school right now (yes I have the brains to be a university student), so I have to just leave it at that. I'll bring on some liberal rants later when I'm not fcking studying. vailposseone... I had a wonderful post outlining your errors with regards to the US having the best health care in the world, with references to entirely US sources. I posted it but it didnt make it on for some lame reason... I'll attempt later maybe

vail are you by chance Bill O'reilley, Sean Hannity, or Rush Limbuagh? as for the whole UN thing in hindsight (I thought so at the time) was a mistake telling them to screw off because when we went to war with Iraq the UN was willing to support us, after they sent in people first to see if our claims about wmd's were indeed correct. beings they weren't, we have killed thousands, while I will agree with you that some good has been done with this war i.e. saddam is out of power. I still think the US war movement would've been a better service to the world had we helped out in rawanda or 3/4's of the other countries in the world that are ruled by dictators that treat their people much worse than hussein did. I have several close friends that have just gotten back from Iraq and despite what the Media is telling us, Iraq did have a schooling system to educate its youth, and it was also one of the more wealthy countries in the world. as for its heinous things it does to women, thats not an iraq thing in fact it was probably less prevelant in Iraq than most the middle east since Hussein is not big on the whole religion thing (I don't know for sure but I suspect he's an athiest because what he's done does not go along with any holy book I've ever heard of) Osama bin Laden hated hussein calling him a godless one or some other nonsense, that is also proof that there is no real link between al queda and Iraq. I have no problem whatsoever with the US finishing this war, I do have a problem that Bush nor anyone really in his administration is willing to take responsability for their many failures along with their few (arguable) successes. we all know there is and were no WMD's we also know that Hussein was no more threat to the world than thousands of others in the world that had large amounts of money and aren't big fans of americas brashness. whether someone is a liberal or a conservative or not is besides the point, I think the point is that the US is a part of the rest of the world, and we're not acting like it. we are putting our country above all others not just in a self preservation way which is to be expected of every country, but we are forcing our Ideals on the rest of the world. and if we piss off the rest of the world long enough they will unite (probably through the UN) and defeat the US unless the US resorts to killing off the whole world through Nuclear Holocaust. (sorry its so long guys I had a lot to say.)

well pull, very inteligent and skillfully neutral. unfortunatly if the world does decide to rise up against the US chances are that no one will survive, the US has enough nukes to bomb every major city in the world like 3 times, (im not sure if thats something to be proud of or not...) its not exactly the explosions that will kill everything its the nuclear winter and the environmental damage, the worlds going to hell already but a couple nukes would definatly speed that up. lol cheers

I. I agree, we should have dropped 250,000 troops in North Africa and surrounding areas. Warlords who pillage their people should suffer at the hands of our weaponry. (Although Im sure Kootanyale and the REST of the world would have considered it a Christian Crusade since the majority of the population in that geo is muslim.). II. WMD's wasnt the entire reason for our entrance. Even the U.N. resolution stated that and the U.N. gave us the green light to go in... That was res. 1441. [(sec 2. “ The President is authorized to use all means that HE DETERMINES TO BE APPROPRIATE, including force, in order to enforce the United Nations Security Council Resolutions (especially U.N.R. #1441) referenced above, defend the national security interests of the United states against the threat posed by Iraq, and restore international peace and security in the region.” The resolution didn’t require PROOF of WMD or the Bin Laden link that you have described to go to war. III. No link? Bin Laden and Saddam were both of Sunni fanatic clans. Bin Laden was all too happy with the massacre and suppression of the hated infidel Shiites. They were joined TOGETHER in a holy war against the United States. Why else would Bin Laden discuss this in his second fatwa against the U.S. and defend Saddam and his sovereignty “…So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people (Saddams citizens) and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.” (Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders World Islamic Front Statement 23 Feb. 1998) *al Qaeda/Iraq link #1. Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of the September 11 highjack, was hosted by the terrorist Abu Nidal at his house in Iraq. Headed simply “Intelligence Items”, and dated July 1, 2002, a memo to Saddam signed by Tahir jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) states the Mohammed Atta came with Abu Ammer (an Arabic nom-de-guerre- his real identity is unknown) to Abu Nidal’s house: “we arranged a work program for him for three days with a team dedicated too working with him… He displayed extraordinary effort and showed a firm commitment to lead the team which will be responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy.” *link #2) On Feb. 19, 1998, about six months prior to the attacks in Africa, Iraqi intelligence officials set in motion a plan to bring a senior trusted Bin Laden aide to Baghdad from Khartoum. An Iraqi intelligence document shows that a recommendation was made for “…the deputy director general to bring the [Bin Laden] envoy to Iraq because we may find in this envoy a way to maintain contacts with Bin Laden.” The meetings took place March 13, 1998. *link #3) Iraq’s former intelligence chief, Farouk Hijazi, met with Bin Laden in Sudan in 1994 and in Afghanistan in Dec. 1998. Bin Laden visited Baghdad in Jan. 1998 and met with Iraqi Deputy foreign Minister Tariq Aziz for the purpose of establishing al Qaeda training camps in Iraq. *link #4) Mahmdouh Mahmud Salim, who was involved in the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, also served as al liaison between Saddam and Bin Laden during the 1990’s. *link #5) After the Cole attack, two al Qaeda terrorists went to Iraq for training in WMD (mostly bio) and to bring back info. on poisonous gas. *link #6) According to Israeli intelligence sources quoted by Jane’s Foreign Report on Sept. 19, 2001, during the prior two years Iraqi Intelligence officers were “shuttling between Baghdad and Afghanistan, meeting with Ayman Al Zawahiri.” (The known terrorist who has been responsible for the multiple beheadings of INNOCENTS in Iraq). According to said sources, one of the Iraqi intelligence officers was captured by the Pakistanis near the border with Afghanistan. All of these can be viewed in the 9/11 Commission Report… the nonpartisan overview of the 9/11 attacks and leading up to the war in Iraq. Bush, Kerry, Clinton, the FBI, CIA, UN and foreign intelligence agencies ALL believed and agreed that Saddam had WMD. This ‘might have been’ flawed intelligence. Convoy trucks were seen via satellite images to be traveling to Iran, Syria, and Jordan days prior to our strikes. Could they have been carrying said weapons…we may or may not ever know. On Oct. 2002, CIA issued a report labeling Saddam as “intent on acquiring nuclear weapons, and projecting that the country will probably have nuclear weapons during this decade, unless preventative actions are taken”. Even in the absence of actual WMD, it is important to know and understand that those coming through the remains of Saddams regime in Iraq have already turned up incontrovertible evidence of INTENT. Bill Clinton made the same case in 1998 as Bush made in 2002 and 2003. Clinton said in his address to the nation, “I will attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons program and it’s military capacity to threaten its neighbors.” As Clinton pointed out, Iraq wasn’t the only country to have developed WMD, but “with Saddam there’s one big difference. He has used them, not once but repeatedly, unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-log war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians. Firing scud rockets at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran, not only against a foreign enemy but against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. The International community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today that, LEFT UNCHECKED, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.” Faced with the threat from Iraq, Clinton acknowledged the importance of PREEMPTION. He stated, “Heavy as they are, the cost of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. AND MARK MY WORDS, HE WILL DEVELOP WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION. HE WILL DEPLOY THEM AND WLL USE THEM.” Sounds exactly like what Bush said before the war and is saying now. Your thoughts? Bush has stated that there were MULTIPLE reasons for the war…most importantly to take Saddam out because he refused to abide to the United Nations rules set for him. Let inspectors in, quit screwing with their searches, disclose weapons, quit shooting at our planes patrolling the no-fly-zone, and quit supporting terrorist. (i.e. sending $30 –50K checks to families of Hamas suicide bombers). He sat on a gold mine of oil that could have been sold for said weapons and terrorist functions. Only now do we realize that the ‘oil for food program’ net him as much as $20 billion in cash…(where is it…could it be funding current attacks against our troops in Iraq?) that was to be used for food and humanitarian issues, not palaces, weapons and terrorism. As Bush put it, “Having to accept the word of a madman or the intelligence agencies of our country, I’ll take the word of our security agencies and protect our country EVERY time.” Were not putting our country above all others, we bend over backwards for the world community BECAUSE WE ARE the the most powerful country in the world... Thats why we use the U.N. even when it hurts our own security. A little quote in closing... “Facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidences.” John Adams

Blackglass, I retract my insults targeting ur crawler. A 60 is ok-to-go and the 32's for comuting make sense.

what adams says is true, but facts should be taken from both sides, your doing the exact same thing that limbaugh, hannity, moore, and stewart do constantly to entertain their crowds. taking facts from one side, I won't dispute the facts that you have brought up but I will dispute the fact that Saddam was a threat to the US at all aside from a minor one (while the wtc attacks were very tragic, if you look at pure numbers compared to other terrorist attacks i.e. madrid, or the crap that goes on in Africa or Israel constantly it wasn't that huge.) George Bush did in fact fire one of his top generals after said general told him we needed more troops for the invasion (liberation for the conservatives) of Iraq. Someone who doesn't even listen to people who actually know more about wars then how to dodge them. Should not lead a country, on more than one occasion he has gone off of mis-information. I've heard more about terrorists now then I ever did before bush was president, the world does not seem like a safer place for americans, through what our president and what I think is now down to only 40% of americans think is a rightful war to purge the world of people we don't see eye to eye with (terrorists) we have sent over 100 years of american diplomacy down the drain, before people disliked americans in other parts of the world because of our brashness, and our pride in our country (what they thought of as arrogance) but now they hate us because at any moment if they don't do exactly what we want there is a plausible scenario of the US either attacking them or boycotting them. I also have quite a few friends from England, they don't support this war at all, most of them don't even like blair (he's the equivilent of bush in the US). speaking of britain the US for its helping the world more than any other country why did bush not give the alloted amount to fight aids in africa? I think he only gave less than a fourth of what would be fair for the americans to give, because he's been funding a bastard war, that his father couldn't finish. I've got more to say but not the time, I'm going skiing!

how is stoner bod( nuthings wrong with that) saying they fucked us up 5 times i have no problem with canada and i plan on moving there cause i respect the way the gov. is runned but im sorry to tell you if you got into a war with the US you would be turned into a parking lot